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Narutoscryed · Aug 18, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I just installed the corsair cool liquid cooling system. i did not do the leak test for 24 hours as i need the computer for homework and stuff.. but i did clamp the shit outa the hoses with the included clamps.

I have a few questions though.. is my comp supposed to sound like a freaking fountain? and my comp is runin about 28-31 c idle and about 45 under full guild wars and vent load. is that good?

the sounding like waterfall thing is really gonna take some getting used to .. i keep checking it every 5 seconds and im a lil freaked

Well if anyone with liquid cooling knowlege can help me that would be great

cannonfodder · Aug 18, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Why did you decide to go water cooling?, for one yes it can be very noisy, and only if you overclock to an extreme then it can be needed.

your temps dont seem that low to me, i get lower temps with a heavily overclocked amd x2 and air cooling.

majoho · Aug 18, 2006, 02:50 PM // 14:50

You might want to consult a forum dealing with hardware in general, it's not very likely people here can help that much (or fast).

Try here -> http://forums.vr-zone.com/forumdisplay.php?f=55

cannonfodder · Aug 18, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

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Originally Posted by majoho

You might want to consult a forum dealing with hardware in general, it's not very likely people here can help that much (or fast).

Err, thats what this is a hardware forum

Yes I can help, just need more information, and so can countless other members on the forum.

And why can't we help him here?

gabrial heart · Aug 18, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Why did you decide to go water cooling?, for one yes it can be very noisy, and only if you overclock to an extreme then it can be needed.

your temps dont seem that low to me, i get lower temps with a heavily overclocked amd x2 and air cooling.

Yup, noisey. Try runing a refridgeration unit! As long as it's not leaking you're good... Also, the temp really depends alot on the enviroment temp, if you're in a warmer room, you're going to get higher temps. Most cpu's with air-cooled run around 60-75c anyway, so no worries. Are you OC'ing you're processor?

Tachyon · Aug 18, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Most cpu's with air-cooled run around 60-75c anyway, so no worries. Are you OC'ing you're processor?

I'm glad you said "most cpu's"! My air cooled Athlon64 3200+ 'Venice' never get's above 36C under a full load, and that's OC'ed too.

gabrial heart · Aug 18, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Azagoth

I'm glad you said "most cpu's"! My air cooled Athlon64 3200+ 'Venice' never get's above 36C under a full load, and that's OC'ed too.

Ahhh, yeah i've had some that ran that high overclocked (some of the older ones). I'm not sure where my Intel falls right now... I think I'm thinking of my gpu that runs around 60 c most of the time.

Tachyon · Aug 18, 2006, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I have to admit though, the 36C max temp does have a helping hand!

Before anyone mention the lack of exhsaust fans at the back, I have two 120mm exhausts. One at the top of the case and the other on the side panel which is out of shot.

majoho · Aug 19, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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Originally Posted by cannonfodder

Err, thats what this is a hardware forum

No offense but this is a game devoted board, I'm pretty sure an hardware enthusiast site would be a better place to seek advice.

cannonfodder · Aug 19, 2006, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by majoho

No offense but this is a game devoted board, I'm pretty sure an hardware enthusiast site would be a better place to seek advice.

OK, my apologies to the member who have to read this, if this seems like boasting it wasn't the intention.

Although this is a forum dedicated to guildwars, it still is a technical sub forum for ANY hardware issues.

As for myself, my PC's dont just play guildwars, I use them for work also, I am a certified Microsoft engineer, I am also a certified cisco and nortel network engineer, plus I have just completed my final year in a masters on computer forensic science.

I feel embarassed to have to post this to justify the importance of this forum. And it annoys me when someone posts "go to this forum, its better"

But please if you have to post anything, make it relevant to the post.

eightyfour-onesevenfive · Aug 19, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

is my comp supposed to sound like a freaking fountain?

No it isn't. A decent water cooling should be very quiet. Top two reasons why it could be loud are: 1.) You have a crappy pump (nothing beats Eheim aquarium pumps). But since I understand your cooling is rather bubbling or rushing than whirring or rattling this probably isn't the reason. 2.) You have air in your circuit. Do you have a reservoir? How big and how full is it? How long is your cooling running since you filled it first? It takes some time for the air to seperate from the water.

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

Yup, noisey. Try runing a refridgeration unit!

Not at all. We're talking about a water cooling here, not a compressor. That's a big difference. The main reason to buy a water cooling is to have the perfomance equal or better to a strong air cooling, but without the noise. I don't hear anything of my water cooling, even when I listen closely. All I hear are the fans.

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and my comp is runin about 28-31 c idle and about 45 under full guild wars and vent load. is that good?

First, without knowing details about what type of computer you have, what components are included in the water cooling, what type of water cooling (does it have fans on a radiator or a big radiator with no fans?) and not the least how warm the air in your room is, you can't make any serious statement about the temperature. Secondly, temperature sensors in computers lie. They're incredibly imprecise.

But assuming up to date hardware in a typical setup with typical air temperatures, your temperatures are quite low.

majoho · Aug 19, 2006, 10:49 AM // 10:49

@ cannonfodder

How was suggesting that site not relevant?

I'm not saying this place isn't good for helping out with questions in general and I'm in no way dissing people here at all.

BUT since we're talking about something that a lot of people don't have that much experience with (watercooling) chances still are that a hardware site that deals pretty much only with such things will have better ideas and/or will be able to help with the problem faster (and I have no affiliation with that site, I'm not even a member there).

You really shouldn't be making such a big deal about it.

cannonfodder · Aug 19, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

Majoho mate, i'm not making a big deal out of this, ok I am a bit, your reply was to send him elsewhere without even an attempt to answer his question, that was what was wrong, and the fact for you to assume that we couldn't help him here, but hey I may just be being a bit over sensitive

causation · Aug 19, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Ok, you two ( Cannon & Mojo ) behave! Yes i can understand what you say Mojo for more in depth help for the opening thread, but so many ppl use this site, who could help, that it was a bit naive to say otherwise. Mr/Mrs/Miss Cannonfodder, your qualifications are admirable, you have made your point. Now offer your advice.

gabrial heart · Aug 21, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive

Not at all. We're talking about a water cooling here, not a compressor. That's a big difference. The main reason to buy a water cooling is to have the perfomance equal or better to a strong air cooling, but without the noise. I don't hear anything of my water cooling, even when I listen closely. All I hear are the fans.

That's cool! Last time i used a water unit was the release of the pentium 4 so I'm a little rusty about what available now. Basically back then it was all about overclocking (and still is to some extent) and very little todo with noise ratio. Those older models were very loud comparitively.

As far as the OP's rushing water deal, part of a water install is bleeding the system and SHOULD be (although isn't always), a part of the install notes. It's pretty simple on most systems, where you release the return line and let gravity do the work. Pouring out the bubbles into a cup or other container carefull not to empty the res, refill then repeat till you see no bubbles coming out of the tube. Most systems are pretty closed looped and wont work out the bubbles for quite a long time of operation (if ever), so bleeding will not only lower the noise level but offer extended pump life.

Loviatar · Aug 21, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Narutoscryed

i did not do the leak test for 24 hours as i need the computer for homework and stuff.. but i did clamp the shit outa the hoses with the included clamps.

i think if you read the instructions it specifically says NOT to clamp the shit out of it.

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I have a few questions though.. is my comp supposed to sound like a freaking fountain? and my comp is runin about 28-31 c idle and about 45 under full guild wars and vent load. is that good?

i dont know about the noise but that is a crappy temp delta on that.

it should not go more than a few degrees over idle for a good properly installed system (8-10 at MOST)

my AIR cooled (very quiet gigabyte cooler) gives me 42 degrees with a full 2 hours of GW load.

what coolent are you using and did you take the time to bleed the system according to the directions or did you do it the fast way thinking it would work just as well?

eightyfour-onesevenfive · Aug 21, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by gabrial heart

That's cool! Last time i used a water unit was the release of the pentium 4 so I'm a little rusty about what available now. Basically back then it was all about overclocking (and still is to some extent) and very little todo with noise ratio. Those older models were very loud comparitively.

Well, there are different approaches on water cooling. I'm not totally up to date myself (bought my first in the days of Athlon Thunderbird, didn't upgrade much since). There have always been and will aways be those who hunt for every single MHz, not caring about noise. Others try to get their comp as silent as possible, without sacrificing performance. But I will stop at that so that this won't degenerate into a holy war about the ethics of cooling and overclocking (have seen it happen too often; I've been moderator in a watercooling forum, mind you).

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As far as the OP's rushing water deal, ... Most systems are pretty closed looped and wont work out the bubbles for quite a long time of operation (if ever), so bleeding will not only lower the noise level but offer extended pump life.

We will need further input from the OP here (like detailed specs on the cooling system), without that we can just guess. In a system with a reservoir, bleeding shouldn't be neccessary at all. Air seperates from the water in the reservoir (if it is large enough), that's what it is there for, you may just have to refill. On the other hand, without a reservoir, bleeding is mandatory. I'd hope no-one still sells systems without reservoir nowadays, but you never know...

gabrial heart · Aug 22, 2006, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by eightyfour-onesevenfive

We will need further input from the OP here (like detailed specs on the cooling system), without that we can just guess. In a system with a reservoir, bleeding shouldn't be neccessary at all. Air seperates from the water in the reservoir (if it is large enough), that's what it is there for, you may just have to refill. On the other hand, without a reservoir, bleeding is mandatory. I'd hope no-one still sells systems without reservoir nowadays, but you never know...

Yeah, good thinking. Theres quite a few systems and designs, some of the older ones which I don't think the OP has used a res just to keep expansion and fill/refill under control. If the pump runs directly through the res then bleeding shouldn't be necessary. I think some might even use the res for all the return lines near the top, which would cause the res to sound "whooshy" aquarium like, when it was low on liquid.

Horseman Of War · Aug 23, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

man I want my computer to sound bubbly!! that would be relaxing!

Im sorry for not being 100% on-topic here, but wouldnt it be AWESOME to rig up an in-case aquarium?

You could technically have two separate water lines as not to get fish poop in your cooling.... but hey some of us are way under our limit for Power Usage!!!

lol- sorry again for being off topic but it would be the coolest cooling system ever!

Loviatar · Aug 23, 2006, 10:33 PM // 22:33

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Originally Posted by Horseman Of War

man I want my computer to sound bubbly!! that would be relaxing!

Im sorry for not being 100% on-topic here, but wouldnt it be AWESOME to rig up an in-case aquarium?

!

it has already been done and the persom making it had a split tank with the pc in the back half and the fish in the front half.

forget the site but they won a nice prize for it.